tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post8668644753558388092..comments2024-03-10T06:07:53.511-07:00Comments on Crazy in Suburbia: Does class size matter?Martha Rosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14092931417080881172noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-55404259957497964512010-02-06T15:31:39.128-08:002010-02-06T15:31:39.128-08:00touche'
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... what fewer students does is a...touche'<br />><br />... what fewer students does is allows ....<br /><br />I guess that must be the kind of grammar taught in classes with 30-36 students.<br />><br /><br />s/h/been "allow" - fast posting mumbles up me verbs sometimes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-13222042958981682942010-02-06T06:48:20.615-08:002010-02-06T06:48:20.615-08:00anon 7:00pm
30-36 students per class has nothing ...anon 7:00pm<br /><br />30-36 students per class has nothing to do with grammar....the fact that grammar is not taught after Intermediate School might.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-68184816298038939822010-02-05T19:00:50.508-08:002010-02-05T19:00:50.508-08:00... what fewer students does is allows ....
I gue...... what fewer students does is allows ....<br /><br />I guess that must be the kind of grammar taught in classes with 30-36 students.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-83797018801687367192010-02-05T17:38:48.517-08:002010-02-05T17:38:48.517-08:00Smaller class sizes do not improve anything. Thirt...Smaller class sizes do not improve anything. Thirty in a class is a reasonable number and the norm the entire time I was in school. Real progress will not be made until it's easier to fire underperforming teachers and reward the best. This will never happen as long as the teacher's union is allowed to call the shots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-58783003948303436132010-02-05T09:36:06.121-08:002010-02-05T09:36:06.121-08:00what fewer students does is allows the teacher to ...what fewer students does is allows the teacher to correct less homework... this is not really about the kids... lessons pretty much require a certain amount of time as presentation, which will always constrain the 1:1 time, so it's bogus.<br /><br />round here in the 70s, we had 30-36 students standard. The only complaint I recall was that over about 30 made the room a little crowded, but it Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-15006920626446043622010-02-05T08:15:04.133-08:002010-02-05T08:15:04.133-08:00Lucca. Thanks for your insight.
In a parent/teach...Lucca. Thanks for your insight.<br /><br />In a parent/teacher conference with my oldest daughter's teacher, he wasn't hesitant to say that he has more than 30 students and frankly does not have enough time to do one on one. He recommended online videos from the textbook, afterschool tutoring and other remediation tools to get the kids up to speed. We used those tools and they worked DumbAsBrickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16369303748430626782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-64831834406258405332010-02-05T07:37:53.113-08:002010-02-05T07:37:53.113-08:00While I think a lot of how you teach depends on a ...While I think a lot of how you teach depends on a good classroom management system, I can attest larger class sizes are not good.<br /><br />I'm a teacher and I started teaching when class sizes were capped at 20. It was great. It allowed a whole lot more one on one time with kids, and when I would pair kids up in centers and groups, I could make the groups small enough that it lead to easy Luccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876668978703011436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-14012803251063647402010-02-04T11:00:08.414-08:002010-02-04T11:00:08.414-08:00Taking away time for recess, lunch, music/art, p.e...Taking away time for recess, lunch, music/art, p.e., attendance and getting ready to begin the day and end the day, a teacher [elementary] gets to spend 8 -9 minutes per day per student. That is if there are 20 in the class. With 30 that number drops to 6 - 7 minutes. <br /><br />Even the best of teachers can only accomplish so much in a few minutes. And, yes, "LeftCoast", a teacher Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-88216340552292370452010-02-04T10:23:28.859-08:002010-02-04T10:23:28.859-08:00I think a lot of the historical data on class size...I think a lot of the historical data on class size is rapidly becoming irrelevant. I'd like to see the day split between online "lab" time supervised by teens and young adults who need the work and have the smarts, and traditional interactive teaching. That way, a class of 30 effectively becomes a class of 15, when taught in two shifts. But the unions may not be open to turning overAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-57558663371102866162010-02-04T10:17:25.753-08:002010-02-04T10:17:25.753-08:00I concur with the majority of comments thus far in...I concur with the majority of comments thus far in this thread. I believe much depends on the discipline, lesson plan, & interest that the teacher generates to motivate learning. I think children, especially these days, seem be more coddled and less independent thus requiring more attention. Perhaps some focus should be done on how kids are raised than the rather a simplistic ratio of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-85923954442032946302010-02-04T10:15:49.102-08:002010-02-04T10:15:49.102-08:00I think that class size matters when you have spec...I think that class size matters when you have special needs, exceptional, and/or disruptive children. <br /><br />Private schools simply don't accept or kick out children that don't fit their mold, which allows them to have 38 stepford children in the same class.<br /><br />Public schools teach all students and don't get to cherry pick, which means they need fewer students in order toAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-46898699395703584442010-02-04T09:50:52.644-08:002010-02-04T09:50:52.644-08:00Honestly I'm not convinced that teachers teach...Honestly I'm not convinced that teachers teach differently with a larger vs a small class size. That being said there has to be a cap somewhere. Just because there are 20 students in a class doesn't mean the teacher is actually giving more one on one time. It might sound good but human behavior is what it is and I'm not sure that a teacher actually gives more one on one time just LeftCoastnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-14585501941646756782010-02-04T09:46:22.917-08:002010-02-04T09:46:22.917-08:00I know this is going to sound like the "back ...I know this is going to sound like the "back in my days" story but I hope that some of you will see that most of the time you can learn something from the past.<br /><br />In the 50's and 60's when I was in school, I never had a class that had less than 30 students in it. Somehow the teachers were able to give us a great education that prepared us well for entrance into the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-57130181045524239652010-02-04T09:45:04.446-08:002010-02-04T09:45:04.446-08:00I think the majority of teachers are more overwhel...I think the majority of teachers are more overwhelmed by the idiotic bureaucracy than by class size. If we would get off the teachers' backs a do away with so many ridiculous requirements, it would go a long way to making the budget crunch "solutions" a bit more palatable.<br /><br />Teachers?Beau Hunknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-6832964185262986262010-02-04T09:01:09.860-08:002010-02-04T09:01:09.860-08:00The teachers I know who teach various grades in va...The teachers I know who teach various grades in various districts say "Yes, class size does matter" and they are overwhelmed by the new numbers. I have heard comments about "early retirement" and "moving to a new area" as a personal answer to the issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-88855771388859401782010-02-04T08:32:40.719-08:002010-02-04T08:32:40.719-08:00Quoting Delaine Eastin regarding how the state sho...Quoting Delaine Eastin regarding how the state should spend education dollars seems a bit backwards. She was responsible for the getting the state into several expensive lawsuits over federal money given to community groups and then wasted. One of the suits ended up with a $4.5 million settlement paid to the whistle blower who was fired for revealing these problems. Now she is executive Jojo Potatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16111873681762511825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-239044155809741001.post-54404065723411191582010-02-04T07:14:32.790-08:002010-02-04T07:14:32.790-08:00Although we don't have any statistical evidenc...Although we don't have any statistical evidence that smaller class sizes increase academic performance it does seem logical. Measuring teacher performance and providing tools to teachers should be a high priority. We cannot let the system (teachers union) use the excuse that larger class sizes inhibit their performance.<br /><br />Why can't we have both small class sizes and a system thatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com