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October 21, 2009

Our local pot club not necessarily celebrating the Obama administration's policy on not prosecuting medical marijuana sales

The U.S. Justice Department announced earlier this week that it will not enforce a federal pot law in states that allow the sale of medical marijuana.

But this news has been met with everything from optimism to wariness to disappointment to outright denunciation among advocates of medical marijuana. Supposedly, patients in states where medical marijuana is legal, including California, can now light up without fear of federal reprisal.

But ...

An editorial in the Contra Costa Times says the new guidelines for federal prosecutors, handed down this week with the blessing of Attorney General Eric Holder, are "not good enough."

They are "are an attempt to thread a political needle rather than a recognition of the value of the drug and a deferral to the desire of voters in 14 states."

Yes, it is heartening, the Times says, that federal prosecutors are told to not focus resources on "individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana."

Still, the federal policy states that " 'clear and unambiguous compliance with state law' " is not a legal defense to violation of federal law."

Bottom line, the Times says, these new "squishy" guidelines fail to offer providers of medical marijuana any real protection from being prosecuted under federal law. These operators could still be prosecuted, if federal prosecutors get an itch to do so.

Sure, no one is naive enough to believe that every pot club, or every doctor taking payment to write medical marijuana prescriptions, is only dispensing to people who are seriously suffering from painful, devastating, life-alterating medical conditions. Sure, some people might be manipulating the medical marijuana system to obtain pot for recreational purposes. Okay, I might be venturing here into the whole debate over whether the use and sales of marijuana should be legalized. (I think it should, as I've suggested before.)

Meanwhile, back to decriminalizing the use and sales of medical marijuana: There might be medical marijuana dispensaries that are--OMG--operating legitimately, legally, and responsibly. That is, they are only selling it to people with a true medical need.

It's possible that there are a number of such facilities in California, in the Bay Area, even in Walnut Creek.

With regard to our hometown pot club--C3 Collective: This business appears to have put in quite an effort to demonstrate its desire to stay in Walnut Creek and to work with the local business leaders and the city to show it can be a good neighbor and a positive community member. The Walnut Creek Chamber of Commerce welcomed C3 Collective's opening a couple weeks ago (pictured above), although chamber members, at the ribbon-cutting ceremony, hastened to add that they always welcome new businesses and members to its organization.

The New York Times Bay Area blog talked to C3 Collective's CEO Brian Hyman. He was guarded about the new federal guidelines. Federal guidelines or not, C3 Collective continues to rack up fines of up to $500 a day from the city for continuing to dispense marijuana. According to the city, C3 Collective's decision to dispense marijuana puts it in violation of city zoning codes and a nuisance ordinance that prohibits the operation of any organization in the city that violates federal law.

“It’s really sad to see such a level of change and understanding and reflection and then to have our collective get put through the ringer,” Hyman told the New York Times.

But City Attorney Paul Valle-Riestra said the C3 collective received its business permit without disclosing the fact that it sells marijuana. Its owners "knew from the outset it wasn’t something the city allowed," Valle-Riestra told the Times.

Nonetheless, the city has launched an in-house study over if and how it will allow medical marijuana dispensaries to open in town. As the New York Times concluded: The Justice Department memo and C3 Collective's situation "raise the question whether and how cities and counties will manage medical marijuana dispensaries in the future."

30 comments:

Bobby said...

Great picture. Funny that most are young. I'm sure they all have medical problems that require medical marijuana... Ha! But, considering the advanced age of pictured Jay Hoyer, he's probably doped up all the time. Maybe that's why he's always smiling?!?

Anonymous said...

Lately it seems like the entire city council is smoking pot.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps the Dudum mafia could add it to their empire. Then it would surely be embraced, perhaps a location for council victory celebrations.

MickeyMartin said...

Actually, C-3, in the nature that they are violating city law, and therefore state guidelines, are open to prosecution under the new federal policy. This sad situation is not representative of most dispensing collectives and does not serve the community of patient's and providers well IMO. The skeptical comments regarding the staff's age is unnecessary and irrelevant, as a patients right to use cannabis medicines is a decision to be made only by the patient and their physician. Without being a doctor or knowing what ailments a person of any age suffers, it is unfair and immoral to attempt to undermine the patient doctor relationship.

Bobby said...

Hey Martin: Get real. There are so many pain medications out there. The real reason why so many youths are pro med-pot is because they want to get high dude, not for the medical reasons. Just ask/poll any high school kids

Anonymous said...

If it's so medically necessary to the "patients", let's get it in pharmacies. This way the chemo patient won't get hit by a skateboard on the way into the "collective". You've got to get away from the recreation drug look to make it legit. Go to Oaksterdamn and watch how many "patients" you see going into the "collectives". lol
I almost walked into one thinking it was hip looking bar.

MickeyMartin said...

It is easy to be a skeptic and ingrain your life in reefer madness. Have you ever thought that young people are more open to alternative therapies because older people have had the fear of god and their government pounded into them over a plant for 40 years? You have no right to judge a person by how they look and assume that they do not have a medical condition worthy of using safe and effective forms of medication. I am 35 and probably look pretty healthy because it is hard to see the 7 screws and a steel plate that are forever in my heel. It is also hard to see that i was hospitalized in a psychiatric ward at the age of twelve and given the meth based drug Ritalin to cope with my overactive brain functions. But you armchair doctors continue to make your assumptions and I will continue to assume every-time that you open a bottle of Napa's finest that you are a spouse abusing alcoholic who wastes his life and ruins his liver to make himself feel better. Brain, you state there are so many pain medications out there. Can you name one that has no evidence of fatal interaction over the past 5000 years of use? Just one? Aspirin? Sorry? Opiates? Really sorry. Do us all a favor and let the licensed physicians do their work. If there is an ethics and abuse issue (as there is with all prescription drugs) then let the state medical board do their job. Your uninformed statements and cynical viewpoints are dully noted. I agree that a pharmacy would be a great place to obtain cannabis medicines, so call your congress persons and ask them to work on FINALLY changing federal law to reflect reality. God knows that no kids NEVER get their hands on drugs sold at pharmacies. Crimes never occur at pharmacies. There are never any nuisance issues at Walgreen's (besides the huge contingency of kids skateboarding everyday at the one on P-Hill road). And pharmacists NEVER act unethically. Oh. And I am sure they are just clamoring to have to learn all about the many different types, uses, and effective methods of using cannabis medicines. Let's get real. Patients do not deserve to be the focus of your wrath. Your precious society that you attempt to defend with some misplaced aggression, fallacious argumentation, and false moral higher ground has far bigger problems than the cannabis plant. Be well.

Anonymous said...

So get it in the pharmacy. I don't want another regulatory board, permit group, inspectors of all kinds, oversight groups and all the associated pensions etc. We don't need it and can't afford it.

For every change we need to understand the financial impact, something that hasn't been done in CA for a long time.

Bobby said...

Hey Martin: You're maybe an exception. Your case is not the norm. I don't want pot legalized unless there's going to be some teeth stuck to the enforcement of it. As it is now, it is way too easy to get "medical dope." Just walk into any classroom and ask. They'll tell ya it's easier than getting alcohol. All medicines have bad side affects. I recognize that, but young kids don't need this dope. They think it's like popping a multi-vitamin.

Anonymous said...

"Mickey Martin is the Associate Editor for West Coast Cannabis Magazine and a founding project advisor for the Medical Cannabis Safety Council."

An unbiased source, I'm sure. :-)

I have seen several documentaries and news shows about these clubs, and the vast majority of "patients" are young, healthy looking men. On another blog, one of these "patients" bragged about how he ran down the block, chasing thieves who had stolen his "medicine" from his back yard.

You can use language such as "patient", "medicine", and "meds" all you want, but it's pretty clear that the majority of these "patients" are young people looking to get stoned.

Bobby said...

Anon 4:34: Amen. Finally, someone with some un-dopey sense!

MickeyMartin said...

If you want to have an educated debate on the subject, I am open to that. It does a disservice to you and your community to allow your personal bias and misunderstanding based on sensationalist media rhetoric and irrelevant conclusions to drive your conversation.

"So get it in the pharmacy..." I truly wish we could, but your faithful government lives in a world of politics and politicians are too scared to ever vote for a cannabis law, no matter how much sense it makes. Call your congressperson. YOU get it in the pharmacy. I have spent over a decade trying, so maybe your calls, letters, and dedicated activism will go further than mine have.

You call me an "exception, not the rule." I challenge that you have very little experience and base your assumptions not on any valid research, medical experience, or vested time into looking more deeply into this, but on a news report given by another cynical skeptic who read the White Papers from the California police Chiefs Association (A lobbying group dedicated to expanding law enforcement power) and fell for the lies hook, line, and sinker. Let's agree first off that age has nothing to do with being well or not. Let us also agree that older people fear cannabis because of years of misinformation and criminal prosecution. Let us also agree that you are no expert in this field and that your brash assumptions are just that.

"Just ask/poll any high-school kids..." Well I choose not to focus on "high-school kids" as it is well-known that adolescents look to experiment and abuse ALL drugs, including prescriptions, over-the-counter, and herbal medications. This is not a good focus group, nor is it the focus of ANY medical cannabis provider ANYWHERE. Your fear-mongering and using irresponsible kids as a way to further your argument is shameful. If you want to poll high-school kids on something poll them on why their parents are so distanced from their lives that they feel the need to abuse drugs of all sorts to fill the emotional void left by their parent's absence.

"They tell you it is easier to get than alcohol..." Really? Who is this mysterious "they" you speak of. Do you have data for your research? From where I stand, having to go pay money to a physician, perpetrate lies to get a recommendation, falsify your age (if you are in high-school), go to a collective to have them verify your recommendation with your physician, sign a collective agreement, and then pay an average of $50 for the medicine is easier than fishing for beer in a parking lot how?

"Pretty clear that the majority of these patients are healthy looking men..." When and where did you get your medical degree? Who are you to make brash assumptions about a person's health based on their appearance? It is unacceptable to base your assumptions on sensationalist news pieces and so-called documentaries. Why don;t you go down to a collective for an afternoon and speak to these "healthy-looking" people and ask them why a licensed physician recommended they use natural therapies for whatever may ail them. You may be surprised. It is ridiculous to continue to make asumptions based on people's appearances. Would you know a person who had aids from one who did not? Are you so perceptive that you can see the onset of the early stages of cancer before chemo begins? Are you such a visionary that you can see pain and mental trauma from pictures on your television. Get a grip.

The continual fallacies brought up are almost comical. You folks really need a hobby. Obviously I have one, and NO, I am not a bias resource. I am a dedicated activist who spends his life debunking flawed logic like the classics we see on this page.

MickeyMartin said...

For those who wish to be more educated please check out my informational blog at: http://medcaninfo.blogspot.com/

Bobby said...

Marijuana Mickey: I see what your hobby is... doping it up. What kind of sessions are you having? Toke toke, puff puff, give give. You and your brain cell deprived friends are ridiculous. I challenge you to survey kids in HS about the easyness of getting pot over alcohol. Hey, you want to pass a law that will let you grow 100 plants in a specified area? Just for your personal use? You will soon see the cost of health care go up even higher... pun intended. And you'll see a doped up generation of kids bumming around your local towns. Get a new hobby Mickey. Try jumping rope or riding a bike, it's much safer and much healthier.

MickeyMartin said...

Hey, Beer Bobby, why don't you find some other venomous drivel to spew. Your cracks at me only make me work harder. It is easy to be a hater. It is much more difficult to create real social change. Look around you. The world has moved on without you. If you want to find solace in demonizing plants then knock yourself out. If you want to continue to try and demean people you have never met, nor probably have the intellect to keep up with in a real conversation ("doped up" or not) , then keep on keepin' on. I would rather be me than you any day. Don't you have a Gardenia to beat up or something?

MickeyMartin said...

Boozer Bobby said..."I challenge you to survey kids in HS about the easyness of getting pot over alcohol."

Does it make sense that a regulated and taxed adult use model like is set up for alcohol does create the proper boundaries and makes it more difficult to get. I am sure illicit cannabis is easy for teens to get, but if it were properly regulated and controlled like alcohol is would it not then have the same desired effect you seem to be a proponent of? You make this argument for yourself. If you think alcohol regulation is working so well, why not find the same type of model for cannabis?

MickeyMartin said...

Prohibition has never worked. It creates the illicit black market that becomes the problem, not the answer. The war on cannabis is a failure and makes criminals out of over 800,000 persons a year in our country. Is this productive?

Bobby said...

Dopey M&M: You're changing the argument now to decriminalization of pot. I'm all for being more lenient to small time pot users. Now on to your multivitamin called cannabis. The pot your parents smoked in the 60s is quite different than what you and your brain dead friends are smoking. Look man, I see your picture. You look pretty overweight. Try smoking less, eating more vegetables and try running on a treadmill for starters. That's a good start to regaining some of your lost sex drive, brain cells, and destroyed lung tissue. Damn, you are such a burden to society! Just Say No! Stand up for something would ya!?!

MickeyMartin said...

You continue to call people names with no substantive value to your posts. It is a shame that you do not have better things to do. Picture was taken 2+ years ago, and I have lost over 20 pounds since then, but thanks for worrying about me. My doctor has said that because of the 7 screws and steel plate in my HEEL, coupled with my ACL replacement surgery on the opposite leg, that running is not healthy for me, but I do walk quite often when I am feeling up to it. The only burden to your sacred "society" is yourself, as it is folks like you that choose to use your perceived moral higher ground to divide the community. Maybe you should go take a jog yourself, and try not to get hit by a bus. If you want to have a sensible conversation on the subject at hand without all of the personal insults and unnecessary banter, let me know. I am always up for that. I would love to see a picture of you so I could make some off color remarks about you in an attempt to demoralize someone with my keyboard. And I am the burden? Get over yourself, Brian, if that is even your real name you coward.

Bobby said...

Martian: You're one heck of an excuse maker. Where's your toughness? SAY NO TO DRUGS. Why haven't you addressed the negative impacts of pot to your body/brain etc...? Hello? Dope???

MickeyMartin said...

I have experienced no negative effects. Sorry. Only positives. I quit drinking a couple years ago (right before the picture) because it was horrible for me. Beer is not my thing. If we SAID NO TO DRUGS, Starbucks, Budweiser, Tylenol, Pfizer, and Marlboro would all be really upset. If there is anything I know about big business lobbying groups, they would not be having that in your society. Do me a favor. SAY YES TO PERSONAL AND MEDICAL FREEDOMS. Be well, Brian. I know I am.

Anonymous said...

MM - Look, if you and your buddies want to get stoned, go ahead and get stoned. Young people have gotten stoned one way or another for decades. Hell, I feel it should be legal to grow and use too.

But please, please don't insult everyone's intelligence with this snake oil cure-all BS and tell us ALL these kids buying weed at these pot stores have some kind of illness. The people here are not that naive. And most here have probably smoked it at one time or another anyway.

Smoking anything in unhealthy. Pot is probably the worst thing for one's lungs imaginable.

MickeyMartin said...

You obviously are misinformed. While smoking is not the optimal way to medicate, patients use so little cannabis it is not as harmful as what you are familiar with as normal smoking parameters. Cannabis can be taken in a number of different methods, such as vaporization, food-based medicines, tinctures, compresses, teas, lozenges, and more, which have none of the harmful side effects of smoking. here is some info for you on the safet and efficacy of cannabis. Enjoy:

The Cannabis Safety Profile

The journal PHARMACOLOGICAL REVIEWS [2] reports that decades of research prove that, "Compared with legal drugs...marijuana does not pose greater risks." Yet based upon mortality statistics, we can safely conclude that cannabis is one of the safest medical drugs known, for, while prescription drugs, defined as safe by the FDA, kill up to 27,000 and aspirin up to 1,000 Americans per year, cannabis kills 0 per year [3].

When we know the facts we can understand why in 1988, after extensive review of the scientific literature, the DEA's own administrative judge Frances Young concluded that ``Marijuana is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man.'' [4]

Opponents of legal cannabis access would have us believe that there is not enough research available to determine its safety. Nothing could be further from the truth. Cannabis is one of the most thoroughly researched drugs in history, and the evidence gathered over the centuries clearly proves that it is safe:

* The Indian Hemp Drugs Commission Report (1894): an exhaustive seven-volume, 3,281-page report that concludes: "Moderate [cannabis] use produces practically no ill effects." [5][6][7]

* The Panama Canal Military Study (1916-1929), amassing extensive data on the health impact of cannabis smoking upon American soldiers stationed in Panama, recommended that "No steps be taken by the Canal Zone authorities to prevent the sale or use of Marihuana." The research also concluded that, "There is no evidence that Marihuana...is...'habit- forming.'" [7][8]

* The LaGuardia Report (1939-1944), commissioned by New York City Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia, which included evidence gathered over thousands of years, concluded that "Smoking marihuana does not lead to addiction... does not lead to morphine, heroin, or cocaine addiction" and that "the publicity concerning the catastrophic effects of marihuana smoking in New York City is unfounded." [7][9]

* The Baroness Wootton Report (1968), commissioned by the Advisory Committee on Drug Dependence of the United Kingdom Home Office, concluded, "There is no evidence that...serious physical dangers are directly associated with the smoking of cannabis." The report also noted that "Cannabis use does not lead to heroin addiction" and that "there is no evidence that [cannabis]...is producing in otherwise normal people conditions of dependence or psychosis, requiring medical treatment." [7][10]

The HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL MENTAL HEALTH LETTER [11] reports the findings of other major cannabis studies:

MickeyMartin said...

In three major studies conducted in Jamaica, Costa Rica, and Greece, researchers have compared heavy long-term cannabis users with non-users and found no evidence of intellectual or neurological damage, no changes in personality, and no loss of the will to work or participate in society.

The Jamaican study states that, even as cannabis use in Jamaica "is pervasive" and is used "in heavier quantities with greater THC potency than in the U.S.," its use is "without deleterious social or psychological consequences." [12]

What's more, the three studies cited, the largest human cannabis studies to date, also revealed that heavy long-term cannabis users scored slightly higher on IQ tests, had slightly lower rates of illness and cancer, and lived longer on average than non-users. Users also proved to be more relaxed and sociable than non-users [4][12][13]. The best evidence indicates, contrary to GovtMedia disinformation, that cannabis is safe and good for you.

In line with the findings of the Panama Canal study and the LaGuardia Report, current research confirms that the addictive potential of cannabis is very low. The journal TRENDS IN PHARMACOLOGICAL SCIENCES states that research shows cannabis has "limited potential for development of...psychological dependence due to the weak reinforcing properties of Delta-9-THC." [14] BRAIN RESEARCH journal observes that "cannabinoid dependence and withdrawal phenomena are minimal."[15]

Research proves that cannabis is nontoxic. For example, in the journal FUNDAMENTAL AND APPLIED TOXICOLOGY [16], Dr. William Slikker, director of the Neurotoxicology Division of the National Center for Toxicological Research (NCTR), described the health of monkeys exposed to very high levels of cannabis for an extended period:

The general health of the monkeys was not compromised by a year of marijuana exposure as indicated by weight gain, carboxyhemoglobin and clinical chemistry/hematology values.

When THE ARKANSAS TIMES [17] asked Dr. Merle Paule of NCTR about evidence of cannabis toxicity and the health of the monkeys in the study, Dr. Paule said, "There's just nothing there. They were all fine."

The journal TOXICOLOGY LETTERS [18] published a study that found no link between cannabis smoking and lung cancer. The seven researchers in the study concluded:

It has been suggested that marijuana smoking is a proximal cause of respiratory cancer. However, these intimations have not been borne out by epidemiological investigation.

Not only is the evidence linking cannabis smoking to cancer negative, but the largest human studies cited indicated that cannabis users had lower rates of cancer than nonusers. What's more, those who smoked both cannabis and tobacco had lower rates of lung cancer than those who smoked only tobacco -- a strong indication of chemo-prevention [4][12][13]. Even more, in 1975 researchers at the Medical College of Virginia found that cannabis showed powerful antitumor activity against both benign and malignant tumors (the government then banned all future cannabis/cancer research) [4]. In fact, the NEW ENGLISH DISPENSATORY of 1764 recommends boiled cannabis roots for the elimination of tumors [19]. Powerful evidence that cannabis not only does not cause cancer, but that it may prevent and even cure cancer.

The few studies that the GovtMedia drums into the public mind over and over, which claim to show that cannabis is a harmful drug, are almost all the work of the the government's top hired gun, Dr. Gabriel Nahas. The NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE described Nahas's work as "psychopharmacological McCarthyism that compels him to use half-truths, innuendo and unverified assertions." The JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION also condemned his work, stating, "Examples of biased selection and...omissions of facts abound in every chapter." [20]

MickeyMartin said...

Conclusion:

Not only does the best scientific research overwhelmingly confirm that cannabis is both an effective medicine and a safe drug, but that it may both prevent and cure cancer and may be generally beneficial to health. What this shows us most clearly, in light of the consensus to the contrary, is the enormous power of a Big Lie.

With its vast resources, the "GovtMedia elite" are able to fabricate and fob off a pharmacological fraud against both cannabis and the public interest. Through sheer repetition and consistent suppression of contrary information, they are able to construct an edifice of public consensus which even the hardest scientific facts fail to topple.

The truth is no stronger than the ability of true information to surpass the public distribution of false and misleading information. The GovtMedia has a greater ability to distribute a Big Lie than any other sector of society has to distribute the truth. However, this report right here contains copious quantities of carefully referenced scientific facts that consistently and conclusively confirm that cannabis is safe -- thereby exploding the GovtMedia's Big Lie.

As truth is only as powerful as it is known, do all that is in your power to make these powerful facts known, that we might put an end to the destructive and illogical prohibition of the proven safe and effective drug cannabis, for possession of which 10 million Americans have been arrested since 1965 [21].

MickeyMartin said...

Smoking
Smoking marijuana produces the most immediate effects and permits the most refined control of your dosage. Smoking any material is not good for the lungs, but the amount of marijuana you need to smoke is so small that you need not be overly concerned. It is better to smoke the flowers rather than the leaves as this also reduces the amount you will need to smoke.

Vaporizing
Cannabis vaporizers are designed to let users inhale active cannabinoids while avoiding harmful smoke toxins. They do so by heating cannabis to a temperature that is just below the point of combustion where smoke is produced. At this point, THC and other medically active cannabinoids are emitted with little or none of the carcinogenic tars and noxious gases found in smoke. Many medical marijuana patients who find smoked marijuana highly irritating report effective relief inhaling through vaporizers. Also, vaporizers are very efficient so they can save money in the long term.

Eating
Marijuana can be eaten. When consumed this way, it is usually baked in brownies or cookies, and sometimes made into a candy. It takes longer to feel the effects when eaten, and may take longer for you to learn to control your dosage. However, when you do feel the effects, they may be stronger than those felt by smoking. You may also feel a certain heaviness in your body. This will not hurt you. Schedule your time so that you can relax when you take it.

Tea
Like other herbs, marijuana may be made into a tea. Boil the water first and pour it over the marijuana. Let it steep for longer than you would for common black tea; approximately an hour and a half. Add 1 teaspoon of butter. The effects are similar to eating it.

Tincture
To prepare a tincture, use 5 parts fresh marijuana to 1 part vodka. If you are using dried marijuana, as is usually the case, use 10 parts marijuana to 1 part vodka. An easy way to do this if you don’t have measuring equipment, is to fill whatever container you are using (glass is preferable as you don’t want to leech any residues from metal containers) to thirds full with marijuana, then fill the container with vodka and let stand for a week or more. Afterward, strain the solution. If you use a larger portion of marijuana, the resulting tincture will be more potent.

Compress
Follow the recipe as for tea. Make as much as you need to thoroughly soak the cloth you intend to use. Apply to pain and leave on ½ hour.

MickeyMartin said...

If you do not believe me on the medical efficacy of cannabis, how about the nation's second largest organization of physicians? Are they all in on the ruse as well?

" ACP urges review of marijuana status as a Schedule I controlled substance and reclassification into a more appropriate schedule, given the scientific evidence regarding marijuana's safety and efficacy in some clinical conditions ... Given marijuana's proven efficacy at treating certain symptoms and its relatively low toxicity, reclassification would reduce barriers to research and increase availability of cannabinoid drugs to patients who have failed to respond to other treatments."

" ACP strongly urges protection from criminal or civil penalties for patients who use medical marijuana as permitted under state laws."
-American College of Physicians (representing 124,000 members, ACP is the largest specialty and second largest medical society in the U.S.), January 2008

MickeyMartin said...

For the record, I never stated that "All of the kids getting recommendations" are on the up and up. I have clearly stated, that like ALL systems (pharma, alcohol, tobacco) there is abuses in the system. That is no reason to diminish the effectiveness of cannabis altogether as a medicine, so if you do not want your kids abusing the system, do us all a favor and raise them better...

Bobby said...

M&M: Now you are aciting like you are using cocaine. I feel sorry for you. You have taken on such an un-noble cause. With your energy, you could be doing so much good in society yet you choose pimping dope. Please stay away from my kids... make that all kids. Go smoke yourself silly and go to bed. I hope you don't get the munchies though... looks like you don't need anymore calories.

MickeyMartin said...

Look here you cowardice juvenile. If you got something to say about me, my weight, children, or my person give me a call. I am at 510-377-1990. Maybe we could sit down and have a cup of coffee and talk about it you scumbag. You hide behind your pathetic keyboard tossing around pathetic insults. I dare you to say something like that to a person's face. But you won't because you are a coward. I am a father of two sons, a little league coach, on the PTA at my kid's school, and a small business owner who donates to innumerable charities. I am a better person than you will ever be and the only one peddling dope around here is you. The dope that people should be ashamed for using a safe and effective plant for therapeutic purposes or that a person who is an adult should be ashamed of using a substance a million times safer than the pathetic drugs that you could care less if society peddles on every street corner, in every 7-11, and on every tv commercial. Do me a favor. If you got something else to say to me give me a ring. We will straighten you out quicklike. It only makes sense that those who cannot hold a decent conversation revert to petty name calling, but you will not smear my honor without a rebuttal. People who choose to bully ad attempt to shame someone for using cannabis are at the core of this nation having its collective head up its ass on a number of topics, including cannabis. Either learn to have an issue centered debate or just put your keyboard down and go back to kicking your dog.